zwei999
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Post by zwei999 on Jan 21, 2011 12:33:58 GMT -5
I agree, anime operating out of America is the last thing I want to see. I don't mind the adoption of foreign influences, however adoption and adaption are two entirely different things.
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Post by jzzranime on Jan 25, 2011 23:51:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one that sees a huge business opportunity?
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karak13
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Post by karak13 on Jan 26, 2011 9:50:44 GMT -5
No... One of two.
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Post by Elisa Fan on Jan 29, 2011 15:40:02 GMT -5
Am I the only one that sees a huge business opportunity? A huge business opportunity to kill culture. That said, nothing personal against you, to be fair, anime itself is dying in popularity even in Japan itself. It'll be a long time to come before it becomes hard to market, but the amount of otaku from 2006 (2008?) to 2010 has dropped from 150,000 to 100,000. Anime is definitely targeting Westerners more than ever now, not that it's a good thing. In comparison, western anime fans who appreciate anime in its original context are very little in numbers, and the amount of western who are true anime fans are very little to begin with. Long story short, anime is a lost cause. Only people who'd follow it are people who can't see outside of the box, namely myself and several tens thousand of people left. (which is a very small number to raise an industry.) Edit: Also, not to create a misunderstanding, companies don't produce for the fans, they produce for the income. And even amongst the people in the WCU anime club, they may proclaim themselves as fans, but they are hurting the industries themselves with bootleg games or shows or modified game systems that allows download of games. These are actually one of the main reason the industry is dwindling. I admit am one of those who couldn't wait till the Blueray or DVD releases and watch them online first and don't actually buy the entire sets or all the episodes I've seen when they do come out. Game's are a different matter, it's much easier to get genuine copies of the game as they come out same time as online downloads are available, so people should always support the companies by buying genuine copies of the game. There are plenty of sites for international shipping and imports on the web if you're into Japanese games and amazon often sells English games at a lower price.
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karak13
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Post by karak13 on Jan 29, 2011 17:24:47 GMT -5
Look, I don't care if you agree or not. I would however like to know why you think that it would kill culture. The artist wouldn't think differently just because of where they live. As it is now it is just going to die anyways. Instead of saying that it is a dumb idea why not give an opinion on how the industry can be saved instead of just shooting other ideas down.
It's also not just anime, you have video games.
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Post by Elisa Fan on Jan 29, 2011 22:57:27 GMT -5
Your original posts sounded like you would want "Western Artists" to produce the works. It is a generalization, doesn't apply to everyone, but a high number of them. Western artists are influenced by, obviously, western cultures. Therefore the work produced would highly reflect the culture and ideology of the western cultures.
I am not against western artists, I'm against the idea of having the mass of artists and writers with no experience in the actual culture and creates anime based off their own ideologies of what Asian culture is like without personally living there. If the say artist have already lived in Asia for several years and understood the culture enough to produce works that are true to the original spirit, then by all means, go ahead.
Anime is high in variety, there's no limit to what they can do. Each has their own taste. But if it's falling toward certain trends than others, then it'll be no different than cartoons. Currently what makes anime is the Asian, mainly Japanese, but Asia in general, cultural and historical influences. Studying the culture is very different than living under the pressure itself. It's like writing a romance novel without ever being in love. The very definition of anime is Japanese produced animations, which means even Chinese/Korean/American produced animations are not anime even if the setting is in Japan. If you're talking about general animation, then we'd just be discussing general animation and no problem, which seems to be what you were talking about.
I am specifically talking about anime, and not animation in general.
And this is irritating... I am watching the recording live concert of the Animax Musix, and the worst part just came up... a remix of the old DBZ theme song sang by a multi-chorus pop group... the horrible Japanese trying to rap DBZ in English, regular rap is bad enough, I can't believe I'm listening to Engrish rap about finding balls... Please just get to Kalafina or Elise soon please... Even Kotoko is more durable... yay, finally over, Grandoro? Never heard of this band. Wow, I got so sidetracked... Lesson learned, don't watch live concerts while typing on the forum. Taking a screenshot of Elisa, totally making it my new icon...
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karak13
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Post by karak13 on Jan 30, 2011 9:29:37 GMT -5
No, I would never want a Westerner with no experience of the Asian culture to create Anime,
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Post by Elisa Fan on Feb 4, 2011 15:42:51 GMT -5
Jim was saying that he was laughing at our posts and apparently he was under the impression I was yelling at you. I apologize, was simply stating my opinions. Sorry if it came out way too strong.
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Post by chaos20022002 on Feb 7, 2011 9:15:10 GMT -5
no don't stop fighting, what else am I gonna read during class. lol
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karak13
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Post by karak13 on Feb 7, 2011 12:01:13 GMT -5
Oh... Sorry Jim. YOU ARE A STOOPEY HEAD AND NEEDS TO GET A BRAN SO YOU KNOW BETTER AND ANIME WOULD SO BE BETTER IF WESTERNERS MADE IT! FOOTBALL AND WHAT NOT! O.o
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zwei999
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Post by zwei999 on Feb 7, 2011 12:38:53 GMT -5
Oh... Sorry Jim. YOU ARE A STOOPEY HEAD AND NEEDS TO GET A BRAN SO YOU KNOW BETTER AND ANIME WOULD SO BE BETTER IF WESTERNERS MADE IT! FOOTBALL AND WHAT NOT! O.o FOOOOOTTTTTTTBAAAALLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!
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Post by jzzranime on Feb 8, 2011 18:37:39 GMT -5
A huge business opportunity to kill culture. I was thinking more along the lines of buying art houses and studios, and keeping all the talent and locking them in a basement in AMERICA where they can continue their craft. Do you have any hard facts on this? What do you mean "the amount of otaku" there's millions of anime fans, and genre's go up and down in popularity. It's not a bad thing either, look at Cowboy Bebop or Big O... both Western aimed shows that were well done and entertaining. I don't think artists should be pidgeon holed in anyway as far as what they have to do, then if they have to target to a certain audience. That being said, I see american companies such as 4kids as being censoreship moguls that ultimately hurt the product and the culture when trying to "target audience" in the way they do. Perhaps if they switch back from a market based perspective to a fan based perspective, they'll regain the fandom they've enjoyed in the past? I see this as being very likely. There's no chance that anime will end. Company's will end, series will end, but there'll be a void to fill, and thus the capitalist cycle will continue. If companies throw a bunch of S*** together to just sell, I don't believe it should succeed. If something is made for the purpose of quality entertainment or to express an artist's vision, then the quality will speak for itself and be picked up by the fans and networks. The old piracy debate. The fansubbing of anime is what caused it to spread around the world. It's what caused companies to grow. And helped bring an industry into it's adulthood when it was a billion-dollar industry. And guess what? The more downloaded anime became, the more money the industry made! A direct cause and effect. Matter of fact, the highest earners, are the most downloaded. Azu-Manga Diaoh... would never have seen an English release, but it was one of the most downloaded fansubbed animes of the year it came out. And bam it was picked up by an English dub company. That title made that company a lot of money. And do they thank their fanbase? Or the fansubbers, that helped them achieve global businesses? No, they would sooner create mediocre titles overcharge for them (39.99 a volume!?), then when they don't sell (and often times have very low illegal 'net downloads.) blame their fans, and blame so called piracy for all of the issues.
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zwei999
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Post by zwei999 on Feb 10, 2011 19:59:26 GMT -5
If companies throw a bunch of S*** together to just sell, I don't believe it should succeed. If something is made for the purpose of quality entertainment or to express an artist's vision, then the quality will speak for itself and be picked up by the fans and networks. The old piracy debate. The fansubbing of anime is what caused it to spread around the world. It's what caused companies to grow. And helped bring an industry into it's adulthood when it was a billion-dollar industry. And guess what? The more downloaded anime became, the more money the industry made! A direct cause and effect. Matter of fact, the highest earners, are the most downloaded. Azu-Manga Diaoh... would never have seen an English release, but it was one of the most downloaded fansubbed animes of the year it came out. And bam it was picked up by an English dub company. That title made that company a lot of money. And do they thank their fanbase? Or the fansubbers, that helped them achieve global businesses? No, they would sooner create mediocre titles overcharge for them (39.99 a volume!?), then when they don't sell (and often times have very low illegal 'net downloads.) blame their fans, and blame so called piracy for all of the issues. I agree wholeheartedly. ("Insert Long Supporting Argument"). The whole piracy thing is a joke made up by a bunch of greedy S.O.B.s who want every last nickel and dime that they think they deserve. People need to realize that if you don't have money then you can't buy things, so if by downloading something that introduces you to said content, and you happen to like it, the probability that you will purchase said content or content from the same producer/manufacturer,etc. when you actually have money goes up (Unless you are a druggie or smoker, in which case you need to be drawn and quartered). Getting something for free and realizing it sucks HURTS far less then actually blowing your hard earned money (except if your a ginger) on it and realizing that you have just been raped by a silver tongued snake in the grass... *cough* M. Night. Shamabammalon *cough* ...you bastard. I WANT my $14.50 BACK!!!!!! I will never pay for Sahmabammalon movie again!!!! VIVA LA PIRACY!!!!
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